whats everybody getting their piss flaps in a twist about?? If you dont like a product or company then who's holding a gun to your head to go buy the shizzle? Between my mates and I pretty much every top end brake out there have taken a hammering. Some work great, others dont. Some are set up shit and therefore are no better than throwing a stick in your spokes. Others are set up perfectly but the wrong tyre choice or bad suspension set up render them useless anyway. Bottom line is dudes, if it works for you then ride the shit out of it, if it doesn't then bang it on ebay and try something else. The marketplace is rammed full of choice and variety and thats a beautiful thing. These hayes brakes are just yet another choice for us as consumers to make our OWN minds up on. Fuck what some arsehole on a forum thinks or even your mates..Make your own call. I personally use Quad deuce 203's. Nicely made,simple and robust. they dont fade no matter what shit you throw at them and they stop on a sixpence. What more can you ask? keep it sleazy you slags and most of all...GET OUT THERE AND FUCKING ENJOY IT!